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— Amadeus Excello —
01-09-2005, 09:03 PM
THE MOST nostalgic of the 1968 emotionally scarred generation still believe that there is no association between cannabis and psychosis. Some will even suggest that cannabis smoking is preferable to drinking alcohol. This week a leading police officer advanced the theory on radio that crushing cannabis smoking in a district was detrimental to both the individual’s health and to the law and order within the community. He said that in his experience the amount of cocaine taken in any one area is inversely proportional to the amount of cannabis used. Come down hard on the cannabis users and the result could be that there would be a cocaine problem.

Doctors who have been dealing with the ill effects of cannabis smoking were therefore relieved to read in the BMJ about a recent study of cannabis use, and its ability to precipitate psychotic symptoms in young people, especially if they had already shown symptoms which suggested a predisposition to psychiatric problems. Most medical practices have had patients who were young, bright and amusingly bizarre who appeared to have a good future awaiting them, only to have it dashed once they started to smoke marijuana.

There was a relationship between the amount of cannabis smoked and the likelihood that the user would develop psychotic symptoms. The more someone smoked the greater the likelihood of psychotic symptoms. These symptoms are not always so serious as to be described as a psychotic breakdown, but even lesser symptoms can affect the ability of a young person to do their job properly or to make good social relationships.

The research published in the BMJ was carried out by psychiatrists in Maastricht in the Netherlands. They took great trouble to adjust the findings for any confounding factors, such as concurrent use of alcohol, cigarettes, or other drugs, which might have given a bias to results.

The survey not only clearly demonstrated that exposure to cannabis during adolescence and young adulthood increased the risk of psychotic symptoms later in life but also confirmed other elements of the anecdotal evidence related by GPs. It showed, for instance, that as has always been suspected the association between smoking cannabis and the development of psychosis is much stronger if the smoker already has the type of personality that is associated with a predisposition to psychotic disease. This predisposition was assessed after a psychological study of the patient’s personality. Many doctors, who haven’t the skill and experience to do this, have noticed that a family history of a predisposition to psychotic diseases also increases the risk for cannabis smokers.

It has been my habit to tell young people in families where this tendency is obvious that smoking cannabis may be, and in fact is, undesirable for most students but it can be disastrous for those who carry these genes. The results of the Dutch study confirms anecdotal evidence and three earlier studies that cannabis may precipitate a serious psychotic breakdown and can lead to the emergence of less severe symptoms. These changes in personality can undermine someone ’s domestic life and career and lead to a lifetime of troubles.

Studies published five years ago also showed that the more cannabis smoked the more likely a patient would be to develop cancer. Regular light marijuana smoking more than doubled the likelihood of developing cancer of the head and neck (this includes the tongue and mouth). Daily users of cannabis who smoke more than one spliff a day increase the chances of developing one of these tumours by five times. If they both smoked cigarettes regularly and took cannabis the chances increased 36 times.

Marijuana appears as a stronger carcinogen than cigarettes, according to Professor Li Mao, from the M D Anderson Cancer Centre in Houston, Texas. Although cannabis may not be as detrimental to the heart and cardiovascular system as cocaine, researchers at Harvard found that the heart attack rate is five times higher for someone in the first hour after smoking a joint than it is at other times.

Health Briefing (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8124-1428225,00.html)

cheydia
01-09-2005, 10:09 PM
hmmmmmmm I have no comment but i will say this lol when i USE to smoke i remember seeing things moving in a white shower curtain lmao

nolia79
01-10-2005, 12:14 AM
Now I just stopped smoking the other day to get a new gig

But truth be told , people was callin me psychotic long before my first
swisha. So maybe we would of been crazier if we didn't smoke.

Naptime

cheydia
01-10-2005, 12:25 AM
^^ congrats I stopped smoking the day after my birthday lol October 7 and i havent picked up since lol even though the board fam thought i would start up again lol

tcrawley
06-05-2006, 02:07 PM
Bullshit!

bandolu
06-05-2006, 02:29 PM
^^nah...Bullshit ....Since Nineteen sixty-who in the hell cares- eight!

alleyezonblack
06-05-2006, 04:08 PM
"Come down hard on the cannabis users and the result could be that there would be a cocaine problem."


who goes from weed 2 blow that easily

TheReturnBRanger
06-05-2006, 09:03 PM
errr where is the evidence?
that entire passage said absolutely nothing....

Im looking for intense medical evidence, cause as far as i know,
Cannabis is not toxic enough to cause any psychosis
Only when Cannibis is mixed with other psychedelic substances like Jimson weed or Mescaline can it be deemed hazardous.

But their is no evidence that marijuana
the only way marijuana can make a person psychotic is if prior to the drug
the said individual had psychosis
then Marijuana will basically heighten the effects of the psychosis
but it won't cause it

for example if a schizophrenic decides to consume cannibis, his schizonphrenia will increase rapidly...
But he would already have to have schizophrenia...
Marijuana is harmless, outside that it can be used as a crutch...

and note...
i don't do marijuana...

This study reeks of Voodoo-pharmacology

blck24
06-06-2006, 02:35 AM
Wanted, I understand you posted this to try to make a point but, this article is bullshit. Before you get on the defesne let me tell you that I was a chemistry major in undergrad and Im currently a 2nd yr in medical school studying for the USMLE step I that i take in august, so in a nutshell science has been my life for the past six years. Ill try to keep this short so here it goes.

Risk factors/Causality-Risk factors are variables that are linked to the cause of disease. When identifying risk factors you use 3 things. Specificity-you must include the association of the factor with only one disease. Temporality-observation of the factor prior to the emergence of the disease. Last, but the most important YOU MUST DEMONSTRATE THE PRESENCE OF THE FACTOR IN MANY STUDIES AND DEMONSTRATE THAT THE DISORDER IS ABSENT IF THE FACTOR IS REMOVED. Being that this study cannot meet all standards for a risk factor IT IS NOT PROOF that smoking cannabis can make you psychotic. Who's to say that the patients who were genetically predisposed to psychosis would not have developed psychosis if they never smoked cannabis....see my point. In science you have to be careful of what you call proof.

Lastly, the article mentions the study done at harvard that said someones heart attack rate is 5 times higher w/ in the first hour of smoking a joint. Who ever wrote this article misled the reader in a very blatant way. The study they are refering to actually showed that THC may potentially prevent heart attacks. In the study researchers pumped mice w/ cholesterol for 11 weeks, then gave them low doses of THC. They found that THC significantly reduced inflammation in the rodents blood vessels. They eventually hope to synthesize new drugs to mimic this effect w/o the euphoric side effects of THC. The author of this article completly left the 2nd part of this study out.

I dont know where this article came from but it smells like bullshit. While this article is suggestive that cannabis can cause psychosis its not proof........

sorry, tried to keep it short.... :D

Cerebral Jedi
06-06-2006, 03:50 AM
blck24 @ Jun 6 2006, 12:35 AM) [url="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1049561"]
Lastly, the article mentions the study done at harvard that said someones heart attack rate is 5 times higher w/ in the first hour of smoking a joint. Who ever wrote this article misled the reader in a very blatant way. The study they are refering to actually showed that THC may potentially prevent heart attacks. In the study researchers pumped mice w/ cholesterol for 11 weeks, then gave them low doses of THC. They found that THC significantly reduced inflammation in the rodents blood vessels. They eventually hope to synthesize new drugs to mimic this effect w/o the euphoric side effects of THC. The author of this article completly left the 2nd part of this study out.[/b]

Whoa! It cures cancer AND it may prevent heart attacks? Damn it's like some magic bullet and shit. Cures AIDS also?

king76
06-06-2006, 04:04 PM
Bullshit! Bullshit! Bullshit!

Slymm
06-06-2006, 11:49 PM
blck24 @ Jun 6 2006, 02:35 AM)
Wanted, I understand you posted this to try to make a point but, this article is bullshit. Before you get on the defesne let me tell you that I was a chemistry major in undergrad and Im currently a 2nd yr in medical school studying for the USMLE step I that i take in august, so in a nutshell science has been my life for the past six years. Ill try to keep this short so here it goes.

Risk factors/Causality-Risk factors are variables that are linked to the cause of disease. When identifying risk factors you use 3 things. Specificity-you must include the association of the factor with only one disease. Temporality-observation of the factor prior to the emergence of the disease. Last, but the most important YOU MUST DEMONSTRATE THE PRESENCE OF THE FACTOR IN[u] MANY STUDIES AND DEMONSTRATE THAT THE DISORDER IS ABSENT IF THE FACTOR IS REMOVED. Being that this study cannot meet all standards for a risk factor IT IS NOT PROOF that smoking cannabis can make you psychotic. Who's to say that the patients who were genetically predisposed to psychosis would not have developed psychosis if they never smoked cannabis....see my point. In science you have to be careful of what you call proof.

Lastly, the article mentions the study done at harvard that said someones heart attack rate is 5 times higher w/ in the first hour of smoking a joint. Who ever wrote this article misled the reader in a very blatant way. The study they are refering to actually showed that THC may potentially prevent heart attacks. In the study researchers pumped mice w/ cholesterol for 11 weeks, then gave them low doses of THC. They found that THC significantly reduced inflammation in the rodents blood vessels. They eventually hope to synthesize new drugs to mimic this effect w/o the euphoric side effects of THC. The author of this article completly left the 2nd part of this study out.

I dont know where this article came from but it smells like bullshit. While this article is suggestive that cannabis can cause psychosis its not proof........

sorry, tried to keep it short.... :D[/b]
Proof y u should stay in skool cuz nigga u just made wanna smoke more. A big thank u comes from me to u. :yahoo:

Black Ice
06-07-2006, 01:50 AM
Well I used to chief like Bob Marley and I started having weird episodes I won't get into

They're gone now that I've been sober for a couple of years, but suffice it to say I COMPLETELY believe what they're saying about weed triggering psychosis.

We already know smoke of any kind affects your heart, lungs, and you brain.

I knew it was linked to Cancer as well.

If you're not in denial it's easy to see the legitimacy in the article. I don't know alot of STABLE regular weed smokers. The ones who are get alot of help in some form or another.


I feel sorry for my ex, she suffers from the psychosis and she isnt' even aware of it I bet. She chain smokes cigarettes AND weed.

blck24
06-07-2006, 07:51 PM
I DO NOT ENDORSE THE USE WEED!

I hope people dont think that b/c of what I wrote that I believe that weed is harmless because its not. Ofcourse weed can cause cancer, a decrease in testosterone production, and it has been proven to cause amotivatinal syndrome in underdeveloped brains(brains in people under 21)Your brain is not fully developed until around 21 or 22, i know it sounds crazy but its true.

I blasted the article b/c I have a problem w/ scientist making claims that the lay person will simply accept b/c they they have no knowledge about the subject. For instance, the scientist Dr. Duesberg who made the claim that HIV does not cause AIDS; because of this dude hundreds of thousands of South Africans have died due to HIV/AIDS. When the AIDS epidemic really started to take off in South Africa their president actually believed Dr. Duesberg hypothesis. This caused him to totally reject plans to combat the disease in the correct way. As a result, today 1 in 5 people in South Africa have HIV/AIDS.

We in the scientific community have a great deal of power over what the general public thinks about certain issues. But with that power comes an enormous amount of responsibility(please no spider man jokes) to report real/provable science, I dont think this article did this; and that was the point of my post.

Once again I do not endorse the use of weed.

Cerebral Jedi
06-07-2006, 08:15 PM
Weed is linked to Cancer? Uh duh, it cures cancer. At least that's what bandolu says. And that's good enough for me.

bandolu
06-07-2006, 08:56 PM
Cerebral Jedi @ Jun 7 2006, 09:15 PM) [url="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1056540"]
Weed is linked to Cancer? Uh duh, it cures cancer. At least that's what bandolu says. And that's good enough for me.[/b]
That's right sun!!! :crazy:
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d21/Bandolu/spliff.jpg
My bitch is cancer free......Yessssirrrrrrr!!